Kessedhek Arwodhyow ha Henwyn-Le Signage and Placename Panel

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1 Kessedhek Arwodhyow ha Henwyn-Le Signage and Placename Panel Kovnotyansow an kuntelles synsys: dy Gwener 17 mis Meurth 2017 Draft Minutes of the meeting held: Friday 17 March 2017 Attendees: In attendance: N Meek, J Edmondson, K George, R Lyon S Rogerson 1 Diharesow / Apologies J Holmes, C Weatherhill 2 Kovnotyansow / Minutes The minutes of the meeting dated 17 February 2017 were read and agreed. 3 Materow ow sordya / Matters arising Actions raised in the minutes would be discussed during the meeting. 4 Materow Ughella / Strategic issues NONE 5 Arwodhow yn stretow / Street signs Chandler Walk (Penryn) = Kerdhva Jownler Lhuyd lists the word tshoụnler, transliterated to Cornish as chownler candle seller, a word attested for a chandler. Nance assigned kantoler the meaning chandler, but this was not attested; Gerlyver Meur lists kantoler as chandelier. The original meaning was expected to have been a candle provider to ships. Chownler chandler to be suggested to the terminology panel.

2 Oakland Walk, Penryn = Kerdhva Dharva Darva oak land ; the word is attested in one place-name Penhaldarva*. Penmead Road (Delabole) = Fordh Pennmedhros No place-name called Penmead* had been identified in Cornwall during the research, the panel considered it a 20thC construction. Medhros middle moor is considered a compound in its own right. Station Approach (Roche) = Nesfordh an Gorsav Found at Victoria, Roche; it is the road leading to the station. There are multiple locations for this name in Cornwall. 6 Henwyn tyller / Place names Failure of lenition in Tre-names KG presented his paper Lenited and Unlenited forms after Tre- at the meeting. It was accepted that the evidence in the paper showed a chronological change as original treb and trem converged as trev, usually realised in place-names as tre. Lenition of b and m often did not take place in the older forms but did in later forms. The effect of this is that we still have some un-lenited forms fossilised in the east of Cornwall. It was decided that these fossilised forms could be lenited in standardised forms with more confidence in future. It was evident, however, that there is an exception set including Tremen and Tremenhir which are un-lenited in the west even after the chronological changes described above. While words such as menhir long stone could have been retained during the shift to English usage, there are forms dating back to the 14th century, making it difficult to ascribe to English. Those names in the exception set should still not be lenited in standardised forms. Action: NM to redraft the place-name policy accordingly for panel approval in regards to Tre- names. NM Intermediate Names etc. Page 2 of 8

3 Pengelly (Blisland) = Penngelli After examining various Pengelly place-names, a definite article would be expected but is consistently absent from historical forms dating back to 1086 Pengelle (Pengelly, Linkinhorne). It may have been present at one time, but there is strong evidence here that it naturally dropped from usage at a time when knowledge of Cornish was still strong. Gover does not list any Trenm- names, perhaps suggesting the <nm> sound may have been purposefully avoided. Penkelly, Pelynt is the only <k> spelling found on contemporary mapping. A few historical forms of Pengelly do include a <k>, such as Penkelly 1284 (Creed); Penkilli 1327 (Linkinhorne) and Penkelli 1342 (St Breock). There are no closed compounds containing a mutated koos wood, therefore a missing definite article was considered the most likely reason. Questioned whether the size of a grove would constitute having an end, therefore the main, chief could be more appropriate leading to the agreed close compound Penngelli principal copse. But this was not likely. Pengelly (Breage) = Penngelli Pengelly (Callington) = Penngelli Pengelly (Creed) = Penngelli Pengelly (Crowan) = Penngelli Pengelly (Linkinhorne) = Penngelli Pengelly (St Breock) = Penngelli Pengelly (St Erme) = Penngelli Pengelly (St Ewe) = Penngelli Pengelly (St Neot) = Penngelli Pengelly (St Teath) = Penngelli Pengelly (St Wenn) = Penngelli Page 3 of 8

4 Parishes Antony (CP)= Pluw Anton Boconnoc (CP) = Pluw Voskennek Bodmin (EP) = Pluwvosvena Bodmin (CP) = Pluw Vosvena Botusfleming (CP) = Pluw Vosflumyes Bridgerule (CP) = Pluw Bonsrowald Braddock / Broadoak (CP) = Pluw Vrodhek Bryher (Scilly) (EP) = Pluwvreyer Bryher (Scilly) (CP) = Pluw Vreyer Bude (EP) = Pluwborthbud Bude-Stratton (CP) = Pluw Borthbud Strasnedh Callington (EP) = Pluwgelliwik Callington (CP) = Pluw Gelliwik Calstock (EP) = Pluwgalstock Calstock (CP) = Pluw Galstock Camborne (EP) = Pluwgammbronn Camborne (CP) = Pluw Gammbronn Camelford (EP) = Pluwnanseglos Camelford (CP) = Pluw Nanseglos Carbis Bay (EP) = Pluwgarrbons Carbis Bay (CP) = Pluw Garrbons Porthreptor is only found on the coast at Carbis Bay and therefore not included in the parish name. Cardinham (EP) = Pluwgardhinan Cardinham (CP) = Pluw Gardhinan Carharrack (EP) = Pluwgarardhek Carharrack (CP) = Pluw Garardhek Carlyon (EP) = Pluwgarleghyon Carlyon (CP) = Pluw Garleghyon Carnmenellis (EP) = Pluwgarnmenelys Page 4 of 8

5 Carnmenellis (CP) = Pluw Garnmenelys Carn Brea (EP) = Pluwgarnbre Carn Brea (CP) = Pluw Garnbre NM Chacewater (CP) = Pluw an Chas Charlestown (EP) = Pluwborthmeur West Charlestown (CP) = Pluw Borthmeur West 1 ACTION: NM to check if Charlestown is part of St Austell civil parish. Crantock (EP) = Pluwgaransek Crantock (CP) = Pluw Garansek As the place-name Crantock contains the church dedication to Karansek, the ecclesiastical parish has been updated to Pluwgaransek following the policy. NM Devoran (ST) = Deveryon Devoran (EP) = Pluwdheveryon Devoran (CP) = Pluw Dheveryon ACTION: NM to confirm if Devoran is still a civil parish. Deviock (CP) = Pluw Dhevyek Dobwalls and Trewidland (CP) = Pluw Fosow Dobb ha Trewythelan Duloe (EP) = Pluwdhewlogh Duloe (CP) = Pluw Dhewlogh Egloshayle (EP) = Pluweglosheyl Egloshayle (CP) = Pluw Eglosheyl Falmouth (CP) = Pluw Aberfala Falmouth King Charles (EP) = Pluwjarlys (Aberfala) Falmouth All Saints (EP) = Pluw Ollsyns (Aberfala) Flushing (EP) = Pluwnanskersys Forrabury (EP) = Pluwragdinas Forrabury and Minster (CP) = Pluw Ragdinas ha Talkarn Fowey (EP) = Pluwfowydh 1 There is no civil parish, so this has not been included on the ML. Page 5 of 8

6 Fowey (CP) = Pluw Fowydh Godolphin (EP) = Pluwwodhwolghan Grampound with Creed (CP) = Pluw Bonsmeur ha Krid Grampound (EP) = Pluwbonsmeur Henwyn Aral war Vappa Kernewek Hingston Down (Calstock/Stoke Climsland) = Goon Wourvargh The Saxon word hengest can means horse, stallion, leading to uncertainty of gender. It can also be a British personal name from the heroic age. Hingston Down (Devon) = Hingston Down Hornick (St Stephen in Brannel) = Kornhwilennek Previous research suggested hornek iron-bearing ground, but as there is no iron stone found in the area, this was considered unlikely. Based on the 1327 form Hornwynk, alternative suggestions included kernhwili desolate place and horniwink (Cornish dialect) lapwing, perhaps in reference to a nesting area. RL 1888 map shows moorland, settlement marked although not very large. ACTION: RL to check publication of the metallurgical topography of Cornwall. 2 Jewell s Cross (Launcells / Bridgerule West) = Krowsfordh Yudhel Trethill [Farm] (Sheviock) = Treyudhel Trethill Cliffs = Alsyow Treyudhel Trethill Heights = Ardhow Treyudhel Trethill House = Chi Treyudhel Trethill Lane = Bownder Treyudhel Jewell s Farm (Launcells) = Treyudhel Jewell s Farm (Hemyock, Devon) = Treyudhel Jewelscombe (Lost, Ermington Hundred) = Komm Yudhel 2 Rod found additional information, so this name will be reconsidered at the next meeting. Page 6 of 8

7 Jews Bridge (Bovey Tracey, Devon) = DEFERRED Kenegie (Gulval) = Keunegi From keunegi reed beds. Kennegy (Breage) = Keunegi Higher Kennegy (Breage) = Keunegi Wartha Lower Kennegy (Breage) = Keunegi Woles Lezant (Lezant) = Lannsans Sans is regularly assibilated in other locations, perhaps a vowel may restrict the change. No reason not to remain unchanged. Medrose (St Teath) = Medhros Changed by analogy to similar names researched at South Hill, St Germans and St Ive etc. Madderhay (St Winnow) = Medhros Hay Earlier forms at South Hill and St Germans support meth names in the early forms, but there are no early names at St Winnow. Madderley Moor = Hal Medhros Hay Maders (South Hill) = Medhros Maders (St Germans) = Medhros Inne Maders (historic) = Medhros A-ji Out Maders (historic) = Medhros A-ves Mayrose (Lanteglos by Camelford) = Medhros Meadrose (Mylor) = Medhros Methrose (Gorran) = Medhros Methrose (Luxulyan) = Medhros Metherose (St Mewan) = Medhros Merries (Cury) = Medhros Merries (Mullion) = Medhros Merrose (Gerrans) = Medhros Page 7 of 8

8 Metheros newyth (historic) = Medhros Nowydh Metherosvean (historic) = Medhros Vian Merrose (Illogan) = Medhros Merrose Lane End = Penn an Vownder Medhros Merrose Plantation = Gwydhlan Medhros Merrose Vean =Medhros Vian Old Merrose Farm = Medhros Goth Meledor (St Stephen in Brannel) = Meynleder Thought to contain meyn stones + leder slope. Meledor China Clay Works = Priweythva Meynleder Meledor Downs = Goon Meynleder Meledor Mill = Melin Meynleder Meledor Wolas = Meynleder Woles Middlehill (Nr Pensilva, St Ive) = Medhros Not a topographical hill, but a slope going into a river-valley. Examining the contour lines at this location this is supported. Middlehill (St Stephen in Brannel) = Menakres Found on the hill above Foxhole. Minack (St Levan) = Meynek Minack Point = Penn Meynek Minack Theatre = Gwariva Veynek Castle Minack (Nr Helnoweth, Gulval) = Kastel Meynek 7 Negys aral / Any other business NONE 8 Dydh an kuntelles nessa / Date of next meeting Friday 21 April 2017, 10am, 2N:04, NCH Page 8 of 8