UNCLASSIFIED / FOR PUBLIC RELEASE RAHMAN DEATH INVESTIGATION - INTERVIEW OF JOHN B. JESSEN

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1 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD J FROM: CHEF, COUNTERNTELLGENCE EVALUATON BRANCH COUNTERESPONAGE GROUP COUNTERNTELLGENCE CENTER SUBJECT: ON RAHMAN DEATH NVESTGATON - NTERVEW OF JOHN B. JESSEN j JANUARY 2003, NTERVEWED JOHN BRUCE JESSEN REGARDNG THE DEATH OF GUL RAHMAN. JESSEN S A CLNCAL PSYCHOLOGST EMPLOYED BY CA AS AN NDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR. JESSEN WAS DRECTLY NVOLVED N THE NTERROGATON OF GUL RAHMAN. JESSEN HAS A PHD N CLNCAL PSYCHOLOGY AND SPENT 20 YEARS ON ACTVE DUTY WTH THE US AR FORCE. WHLE ON ACTVE DUTY WTH USAF, JESSEN WORKED AS A PSYCHOLOGST WTH THE JONT PERSONNEL RECOVERY AGENCY. AFTER LEAVNG ACTVE DUTY WTH UZAF, JEZSEN WENT TO WORK DOD AS A CVLAN PSYCHOLOGST. WHLE EMPLOYED BY DOD, HE SERVED AS THE SENOR PSYCHOLOGST FOR THE SURVVAL, EVASON, RESSTANCE, AND ESCAPE (SBRE) PROGRAM. ONE OF THE THNGS JESSEN WAS NVOLVED WTH N THS PROGRAM WAS THE NTERROGATON OF PRSONERS. DURNG THS PEROD, JESSEN HAD CONTACT WTH CA THROUGH DOD ON CAPTVTY RELATED SSUES. JESSEN STATED THAT HE WORKED FOR DOD FOR EGHT YEARS. HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CONTACTED BY JOSE RODRGUEZ, C/CTC AND ASKED TO COME TO WORK FOR CA ON A SPECAL PROJECT. JESSEN BEGAN WORK FOR CA ON 20 JUL JESSEN STATED THAT HS DUTES AT CA HAVE NVOLVED THE NTERROGATON ACLU-RD 6658 p.1 Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001047

2 OF HGH AND MEDUM VALUE TERRORST TARGETS (HVT, MVT). JESSEN STATED THAT HE HAS NTERROGATED PRSONERS AT AND JESSEN S NVOLVED N THE USE OF ENHANCED NTERROGATON METHODS. JESSEN STATED THAT FOR THE MOST PART THERE HAS BEEN ONLY ONE PRSONER WHO HAS BEEN RECEVNG ENHANCED NTERROGATON TECHNQUES; HOWEVER, RECENTLY ONE MORE PRSONER BEGAN RECEVNG THS TREATMENT. JESSEN STATED THAT HS FRST TRP WAS N NOVEMBER UNTL HB RECEVED A MESSAGE ASKNG TO LOOK AT A FEW PRSONERS. GUL RAHMAN WAS JESSEN STATED THAT HE WAS AT HM TO PROCEED TO NOT ONE OF THESE PRSONERS. [ JESSEN STATED THAT HE WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT THE PRSONERS TO DETERMNE F THEY SHOULD BE CONSDERED FOR ENHANCED NTERROGATON TECHNQUES. JESSEN STATED THAT PRETTY COOPERATVE. JESSEN STATED THAT HE DEPARTED AND WENT THROUGH CRCA TURNED OUT BE BE lon OCTOBER 2002 NOV JESSEN COULD NOT RECALL F RAHMAN WAS THERE WHEN HE NTALLY ARRVED, BUT HE THNKS HE RAHMAN ARRVED SHORTLY THEREAFTER. JESSEN RECALLED THAT HE WAS GETT NG ORENTED TO WHEN RAHMAN ARRVED. JESSEN STATED THAT HE WAS NOT PART OF RAHMAN'S RENDTON. HE STAYED ] APPROXMATELY 2 1/2 WEEKS. JESSEN COULD NOT RECALL THE DATE HE FRST HAD CONTACT WTH RAHMAN, BUT HE DD REMEMBER THAT PEOPLE N THE STATON WERE VERY OPTMSTC THAT THEY HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS GONG TO HAVE SOME GOOD NFORMATON. ]SPOKE TO JESSEN ABOUT RAHMAN AT SOME PONT. j JESSEN STATED THAT JASKED HM ABOUT NTERROGATNG THE GUY. UPON REFLECTON, JESSEN STATED THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR RAHMAN'S FRST NTERROGATON, BUT THAT~ ACTUALLY DD THE NTERROGATON. AND JESSEN CONSULTED ABOUT THE NTERROGATON BEFOREHAND. JESSEN STATED THAT THEY COLLABORATED ON SOME OF THE APPROACHES HE MGHT WANT TO-TAKE WTH RAHMAN. JESSEN STATED THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN THERE FROM THE START OF RAHMAN'S NTERROGATONS, BUT HB DDN'T BEGN NTERROGATNG UNTL LATER BECAUSE HE WAS WORKNG W TH THE OTHER PRSONERS. JESSEN STATED THAT HE LSTENED N ON ONE OF THE EARLY NTERROGATONS CONDUCTED BY l AFTER THNKNG ABOUT T, HE STATED THAT T MAY HAVE BEEN THE FRST NTERROGATON. JESSEN STATED THAT HE SAT BEHND 1DORNG THE FRST NTERROGATON WHLE [ 1CONDUCTED T. WHEN DESCRBNG RAHMAN'S PHYSCAL APPEARANCE DORNG THE FRST NTERROGATON, JESSEN NTALLY STATED THAT HE WAS WEARNG PAJAMAS OR SWEATPANTS. AFTER SOME REFLECTON HE STATED, "HE MAY HAVE JUST HAD A DAPER ON." JESSEN STATED THAT RAHMAN HAD CLOTHES ON AND OFF AS PART OF WHAT THEY WERE DONG TO HM. JESSEN STATED THAT HE COULD NOT REMEMBER SPECFCALLY WHAT HE WAS WEARNG. SOMETMES HE WOULD HAVE A BLANKET. N TERMS OF HS PHYSCAL APPEARANCE, HE DD LOOK ROBUST. HE DD LOOK TRED, BUT HS POSTURE WAS PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY COMPOSED. ACLU-RD 6658 p.2 Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001048

3 JESSEN REVEWED THE CABLE RECOUNTNG THE FRST TWO NTERROGATONS. JESSEN STATED THAT THE CABLE S PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE RECALLS. JESSEN SAD j MANY OF THE BULLETS THAT WERB USED N THE CABLE. JESSEN HE GAVE STATED THAT WAS A CAPABLE GUY, BUT HE REALLY HADN'T DONE THS KND PF THNG BEFORE. JESSEN STATED THAT HE PROVDED WTH DESCRPTONS OF WHAT[ WAS ALREADY NOTCNG. JESSEN STATED THAT HE HAD GENERAL DSCUSSONS WTH OVER A PEROD OF TME. JESSEN STATED THAT RAHMAN WAS OBVOUSLY A VERY TOUGH CHARACTER. T APPEARED TO US THAT HE WAS SMARTER THAN HE WAS LETTNG ON. THE NTERPRETeR SAD HS LANGUAGE WAS GOOD SUGGESTNG A LEVEL OF SOPHSTCATON THAT WAS A LTTLE HGHER THAN HE WAS PORTRAYNG. JESSEN STATED THAT RAHMAN COULD HAVE BEEN SMPLY AN NNATELY BRGHT PERSON. UNFORTUNATELY, THE NTERROGATON WAS GONG NOWHERE. RAHMAN WAS NOT EVEN ADMTTNG TO HS NAME DESPTE A PREPONDERANCE OF NFORMATON. JESSEN NEVER SAW USE AGGRESSVE OR HOSTLE NTERROGATON ON HM. T WAS ALL BUSNESSLKE, BUT T DDN'T GO ANYWHERE. JESSEN STATED THAT ONE TME HE NTERROGATED RAHMAN BY HMSELF AND SLAPPED HM. JESSEN DESCRBED T AS AN NSULT SLAP. JESSEN STATED THAT HE FELT HE LOST MORE GROUND THAN HE GANED. JESSEN COMMENTED THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN BE NTMDATED, BUT WTH OTHERS T SMPLY BOLSTERS THER RESSTANCE. JESSEN AND MADE THE DECSON AT THAT TME NOT TO USE THAT TYPE OF TECHNQUE WTH RAHMAN. JESSEN AND l TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT RAHMAN WOULD NEED PHYSCAL AND PSYCHOLOGCAL DEPRVATON TO WEAR HM DOWN SO HE WOULD HOPEFULLY BE MORE COOPERATVE. JESSEN MADE SOME SPECFC RECOMMENDATONS TO NOT AFTER THE FRST NTERROGATON, AND PUT A RECOMMENDED PLAN N A CABLE. JESSEN RECALLED STATNG SOMETHNG TO THE EFFECT OF, "T WASN'T GONG TO HAPPEN FAST, HE S PHYSCALLY STRONG, HTT NG HM SN'T GONG TO DO ANY GOOD. YOU HAVE TO WEAR HM DOWN PHYSCALLY AND PSYCHOLOGCALLY. HAMMER HM CONSSTENTLY WTH THE FACTS. T WOULD TAKE ONE TO SEVERAL MONTHS TO GET HM TO A LEVEL OF COOPERATON. " JESSEN STATED THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THE SLEEP DEPRVATON STARTED RGHT FROM THE BEGNNNG. DD A GREAT JOB SETTNG UP JESSEN STATED THAT JESSEN SPOKE ABOUT THAT DD NOT HAVE A VETTED PROTOCAL LKE WTH AND A FEW PEOPLE N HS "FOOD CHAN. " JESSEN SPOKE ABOUT ESTABLSHNG PROTOCOLS TO PROTECT [ THE PRSONERS, AND ENSURE THAT THNGS WENT ACCORDNG TO HOYLE. JESSEN USED THE EXAMPLE OF HARD TAKEDOWNS THAT THEY USE TO SCARE A GUY. JESSEN STATED THAT T WAS A GOOD TECHNQUE, BUT THESE KNDS OF THNGS NEED TO BE WR'M'EN DOWN AND CODFED WTH A STAMP OF APPROVAL OR YOU'RE GONG TO BE LABLE. ALSO, F YOU DON'T HAVE PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO, YOU W LL TEND TO DRFT. JESSEN ALSO STATED THAT WE HAVE GUARDS WHO ARE. DONG A GOOD JOB ACLU-RD 6658 p.3 Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001049

4 JESSEN STATED THAT HAD A GOOD COURSE OF ACTON, BUT NOT N TERMS OF WR'M'EN GUDELNES. JESSEN STATED THAT HE HAD PLANNED TO DO THAT BUT GOT PULLED OUT BEFORE HE COULD BEGN. JESSEN STATED THAT FOR WAS GONG TO PRODUCE SOME WRTTEN PROTOCOLS. JESSEN STATED THAT HE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THOSE OFFCERS WHO WERE N TRANNG AT HEADQUARTERS N NTERROGATON, SHOULD GO TO J FOR OJT. OBALT WHEN QUESTONED ABOUT THE TMNG OF RAHMAN'S LOSS OF CLOTHNG, JESSEN STATED THAT RAHMAN HAD CLOTHNG AND DDN'T HAVE CLOTHNG PERPETUALLY WHLE HE WAS THERE. RAHMAN HAD HS CLOTHNG WHEN HE ARRVED, BUT T WAS LONG THEREAFTER THAT HE DDN'T HAVE THEM. HE WENT BACK AND FORTH. j j USED HS CLOTHNG A PEW TMES TO TRY TO MANPULATE AND MOTVATE RAHMAN. JESSEN STATED THAT HE JUST COULD NOT RECALL SPECFCALLY WHEN HE DD OR DD NOT HAVE HS CLOTHNG. JESSEN RECALLED THAT HE DDN'T HAVE CLOTHNG MORE THAN HE DD HAVE CLOTHNG. USUALLY WHEN HE DDN'T HAVE CLOTHNG, HE HAD A BLANKET. JESSEN STATED THAT ONCE THE GUARDS HAD GVEN RAHMAN A COLD SHOWER AS A DEPRVATON TECHNQUE. JESSEN ADDED THAT "T WAS PRE'M'Y DARN COLD THERE. RAHMAN WAS SHAKNG A SHOWNG THE EARLY STAGES OF HYPOTHERMA. JESSEN ORDERED THE GUARDS TO GVE HM A BLANKET. JESSEN BELEVES THAT RAHMAN MAY HAVE BEEN NUDE WHEN HE CAME FROM RENDTON WHCH S NOT THAT UNCOMMON. JESSEN RECALLS THAT RAHMAN WAS WTHOUT CLOTHES VERY EARLY ON N HS NCARCERATON. JESSEN STATED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THS GUY. HE BECAME THER NUMBER ONE PRORTY. JESSEN STATED THAT THE GUARDS WERE VERY FRM AND DRECT WTH ALL PRSONERS. RAHMAN ONCE THREATENED TO KLL THE GUARDS. THE GUARDS LAUGHED AT HS THREATSj WHEN JESSEN ASKED THEM TO PUT A BLANKET ON HM AFTER HS COLD SHOWER, THEY DD. JESSEN STATED THAT AFTER HE LEARNED THAT RAHMAN HAD THREATENED THE GUARDS, HE DD PAY ATTENTON TO HOW THEY TREATED H M, JESSEN STATED THAT WHEN THE GUARDS GOT THE BOP TRANNG, THEY SEEMED PRE'M'Y SWTCHED ON. WHEN nlw~ys GAVE THEM NSTRUCTONS THEY ChRRED THEM OUT. UPON QUERY, JESSEN DESCRBED A "HARD TAKEDOWN. " JESSEN STATED THAT F A DETANEE S STRONG AND RESLENT, YOU HAVE TO ESTABLSH CONTROL N ACLU-RD 6658 p.4 Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001050

5 SOMEWAY OR YOU'RE NOT GONG TO GET ANYWHERE. F BOUND BY THE GENEVA CONVENTON, THS PERSON WOULD NOT BREAK. YOU HAVE TO TRY DFFERENT TECHNQUES TO GET HM TO OPEN UP. ONE OF THE TECHNQUES S ROUGH, THREATENNG TREATMENT. TREATMENT SHOULD NEVER BE TO THE PONT THAT YOU HURT SOMEONE PHYSCALLY WHERE YOU NTERFERE WTH YOUR ABLTY TO GET NFORMATON, BUT YOU WANT TO NSTLL FEAR AND DESPAR. JESSEN STATED THAT SOMEONE LKE RAHMAN S JUST "TOO DAMN TOUGH. " F YOU WANT TO SEE F TS GONG TO WORK YOU'RE GONG TO HAVE TO USE A CONSDERABLE AMOUNT CONTROLLED THREAT, THE NDUCEMENT OF PSYCHOLOGCAL THREAT, NOT JUST PHYSCAL PAN. THS S DONE BY SCREAMNG AND YELLNG, MAKNG THREATS, SLAPPNG, WALLNG, AND HARD TA<EDOWNS. JESSEN STATED THAT HE WATCHED A HARD TAKEDOWN ON GUL RAHMAN. T WAS FORCEFUL, BUT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE OONG. T WAS OONE BY CA'S RENDTONS TEAM. HE WAS N HS CELL, HE WAS NTALLY CHANED OVERHEAD FOR SEVERAL DAYS. AS AN ASDE, JESSEN STATED THAT HE WAS A VERY TOUGH GUY. JESSEN STATED THAT HE WENT N TO SEE HM AFTER A CONSDERABLE PEROD OF TME AND HE HAD NOT HAD MUCH TO DRNK. WHEN ASKED F HE WAS OKAY HE REPLED, "FNE." WHEN RAHMAN WAS AS~ F HE NEEDED ANYTHNG, HE SAD, "NO, 'M FNE." THE RENDTONS TEAM REHEASED THERE ROLES BEFORE CONDUCTNG THE TAKEDOWN. THE ALL HAD A ROLE AND KNEW WHAT THEY WRERE GONG TO DO. JESSEN STATD THAT HE WAS WATCHNG. HAD ASKED FOR SUGGESTONS. JESSEN STATED THAT HE OOESN'T USE THS AT ANY OF HS FACLTES. JESSEN STATED THAT THEY ENTERD RAHMAN'S CELL SCREAMNG AND YELLNG FOR HM TO "GET DOWN. THEY DRAGGED HM OUTSDE AND CUT HS CLOTHES OFF OF HM. THEY SECURED HM WTH MYLAR TAPE AND PUT A HOOD OVER HS HEAD. THEY RAN HM UP AND DOWN THE LONG CORRDOR ADJACENT TO HS CELL. THEY SLAPPED HM AND PUNCHED HM SEVERAL TMES. ALTHOUGH T WAS OBVOUS THAT THEY WERE NOT TRYNG TO HM HM AS HARD AS THEY COULD, T WAS SOMETMES PRETTY FORCEFUL. A COUPLE OF TMES A HE STUMBLED AND WAS DRAGGED ALONG THE GROUND. HE HAD ABRASONS ON HS HEAD AND LEG. HE LOOKED LKE HE HAD RECEVED A "HARD TAKEDOWN' WHEN T WAS OVER. HE HAD CRUSTY CONTUSONS ON HS FACE, LEG, AND HANDS. NOTHNG THAT REQURED MAY HAVE SAD TREATMENT. HE WAS PLACED BACK N HS CELL. SOMETHNG TO HM. THS HAPPENED EARLY, AFTER ONLY 2-3 NTERROGATONS. JGSSEN STATED Ti~T THE USE OF SLEEP DEPRVATON WTH RAHMAN STARTED VERY EARLY. THE SLEEP DEPRVATON WAS CONSSTENT FOR THE FRST FEW DAYS. HE WAS CHANED TO THE OVERHEAD BAR N HS CELL. HB WAS WTHOUT HS CLOTHS MORE THAN HE WAS WTH THEM. WE GAVE HM SOME CLOTHS AFTER HE ADMTTED HE WAS RAHMAN. PEOPLE CAN GO HUNDREDS OF HOURS WTH SLEEP DEPRVATON AND NOT HAVE LL EFFECTS. T WEAKENS YOUR ABLTY TO RESST AND MUSTER THAT ENERGY TO FGHT BACK AGANST WHAT S GONG ON. T'S A GREAT TECHNQUE TO USE AND DOESN'T HURT ANYONE. FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN, SLEEP DEPRVATON, WTH A FRENDLY APPROACH MXBD N ARE THE BEST TECHNQUES. YOU CAN USE THS ALMOST NDEFNTELY AND NOT HURT ANYONE. STANDNG WTH ACLU-RD 6658 p.5 Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001051

6 YOUR HANDS CUFFED OVER A BAR, YOU CAN'T DO THAT FORBVER. THEY DDN'T LEAVE RAHMAN CHANED TO THE OVERHEAD BAR TOO LONG, THEY WOULD LBT HM , DOWN. SOME DAYS NTERROGATED RAHMAN TWCE A DAY, SOME DAYS HAD ONCE. AND SOME DAYS NOT AT ALL. A LOT OR WORK ON HS PLATE. HE WAS RUNNNG HE WAS COMPLETELY SNOWED UNDER WTH WORK. WOULD DO WHAT HE COULD. THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED THAT [ SO WE COULD HAVE MULTPLE PEOPLE WORK ON S OME OF THE PRSONERS ALL THE TME. JESSEN STATED THAT RAHMAN WOULD HAVE LOST HS CLOTHES AND DAPER AT OUR DRECTON. THE GUARDS WERE NOT DONG THNGS ON THER OWN WERE VERY ATTENTVE TO WHAT JESSEN DESCRBED l TOLD THEM TO DO. THEY f AS VERY BRGHT AND MOTVATED. HE HAS GOOD NTUTON AND HS NTERROGATON SKLLS ARE GETTNG BETTER. HE SET UP N A GOOD WAY. HE WAS DONG A GOOD JOB WTH THE GUARD FORCE AND WAS VERY LEVEL HEADED. HE DD NOT DO THNGS N A REACTVE WAY-HE S VERY MEASURED. JESSEN SAD HE WAS THE GUY WTH ALL THE TRCKS BOT HE COULD TELL THAT WAS RUNNNG ALL OF HS SUGGESTONS THROUGH HS "BULLSHT FLTER." FOR AN MVT FACLTY, THE ATMOSPHERE WAS VERY GOOD. NASTY, BOT SAFB. FOR SOMEONE WHO HAD NEVER BEEN NVOLVED N ANYTHNG LKE THS BEFORE, JESSEN SAD HE DD NOT SEE ANY HCCUPS N SECURTY OR PRSONER SAFETY. JESSEN QUPPED THAT THEY CHECKED PEOPLE MORE THOROUGHLY AT THE PRSON THAN THEY DD TO GET ON THE STATON COMPOUND. ] THE GOARD COMMANDER, SEEMED TO BE AN NTELLGENT AND MOTVATED PERSON. HE SEEMED TO WORK WELL WTH j JESSEN SAYS HE TOLD THAT HE DD A GOOD JOB PUTTNG THNGS TOGETHER. JESSEN SAD THERE WERE SOME WEAKNESSES AT THE FAC LTY. JESSEN BELEVED THAT YOO NEEDED SOME DSNTERESTED PARTY N THERE WHOSE JOB T WAS TO WATCH THE PEOPLE DONG THER WORK. YOU NEED TO ESTABLSH OPERATONAL PROCEDURES FOR EVERYTHNG. YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP WRTTEN PROCEDURES FOR HOW OFTEN THEY GET WATER, THE TEMPERATURE OF THE FACLTY, HOW LOUD THE NOSE WLL BE. THE GUARD FORCE HAS TO HAVE WRTTEN PROCEDURES ON HOW TO HANDLE AND MOVE PEOPLE. YOU GOT TO RAVE CAMERAS TO MONTOR PEOPLE (YOU CAN MONTOR PEOPLE N THE DARK. ) YOU HAVE TO HAVE VDEO COVERAGE N THE NTERROGATON ROOMS. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAN EVERY PHYSCAL PRESSURE YOU USE N GENERAL TERMS, AND WHEN T CAN BE USED, YOU HAVE TO TRAN PEOPLE TO USE THEM, THEN HAVE OVERSGHT OVER THE PEOPLE WHO USE THEM. YOU HAVE TO DO ANNUAL STATUS CHECKS OF THE PRACTCES TO ENSURE THEY ARE N LNE WTH THE WRTTEN PROCEDURES AND THAT THERE HAS BEEN NOD RFT. THERE HAS TO BE A MEDCAL PERSON ON STAFF AND ON CALL. HE SHOULD MAKE ROUTNE VSTS TO THE PRSON. YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE AND HAVE ADEQUATE STAFFNG.j ACLU-RD 6658 p.6 Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001052

7 RAHMAN ADMSSON OF HS DENTTY WAS A COMPROMSE. HE KNEW HE WAS N TROUBLE OVER HS DENTTY. JESSEN BELEVED THAT RAHMAN DECDED THAT SNCE WE HAD OVERWHELMNG EVDENCE THAT HE COULD ADMT HS DENTTY, MPROVE HS CONDTONS, BUT STLL KEBP THE THNGS THAT WERE MPORTANT TO HM A SECRET. T WAS AN NTERROGATON BREAKTHROUGH, BUT RAHMAN HAD NOT BROKEN DOWN. JESSEN BELEVES THAT WTHOUT THE PRESSURES THAT HAD BEEN EXERTED ON HM, HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THE ADMSS ON. JESSEN STATED THAT HE NTERROGATED RAHMAN TWCE BY HMSELF AND TWO OR THREE OTHER TMES WTH JM MTCHELL, ANOTHER C PSYCHOLOGST ALSO NTERROGATED HM ONCE. RAHMAN APPEARED TO BE HEALTHY, FATGUED, COLD, AND HE KNEW HOW TO USE PHYSCAL PROBLEMS OR DURESS AS A RESSTANCE TOOL. JESSEN STATED THAT THEY ONCE TRED A PRAGMATC APPROACH WTH RAHMAN BUT T DDN'T WORK. HE WAS STLL RESSTNG WTH GREAT ENERGY. JESSEN STATED THAT THERE WERE HEATERS PRESENT N THE HOUSNG AREA WHEN HE WAS WORKNG ON RAHMAN. WHEN JESSEN FRST ARRVED WAS N THE 60'S DURNG THE DAY, BUT WOULD DROP NTO THE 40'S AT NGHT. HOWEVER, PROR TO HS DEPARTURE T FROZE AT NGHT A COUPLE OF TMES. THE PRSON WAS ALWAYS A LTTLE COOL BECAUSE T WAS DARK. WHEN YOU ARE NOT MOVNG T S WORSE. N CLOSNG, JESSEN STATED THAT HE WOOLD WORK WTH ANYTME, ANYDAY. ACLU-RD 6658 p.7 SHOULD BE MADE PART OF THE LEAD HVT ELEMENT. Salim v. Mitchell - United States Bates #001053